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arc in ISO
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2-
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153-
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find below an e-mail correspondence dated 27 January 2003 on the
above-mentioned subject.<o:p><
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span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic";mso-hansi-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'>Please accept my apology for not corresponding with you
sooner.<o:p><
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span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic";mso-hansi-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'>> We would appreciate your providing us with any
information or<o:p><
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span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic";mso-hansi-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'>> comments on why this arc 10036 was created under the
registration<o:p><
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span
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"Times New Roman"'>> -authority arc and whether we should remove the note on
the<o:p><
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span
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"Times New Roman"'>> withdrawal of the that arc from the ASN.1 standard.<o:p><
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span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic";mso-hansi-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'>Thank you for your liaison information. Here I reply to your
liaison as an editor of ISO/IEC 10036. Formal liaison response to ITU-T SG17
from JTC1/SC34 will be forwarded after the next SC34 Plenary meeting to be held
in May
2003.<o:p><
/o:p><
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/p>
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span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic";mso-hansi-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'>Actually ISO/IEC 10036 defines that its object identifiers
shall be
{1 1 10036 ....
}.<o:p><
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style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><
span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic";mso-hansi-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'>It is based on the definition specified by the clause 5.2.2
in ISO/IEC 9070:1991 (Information technology - SGML support facilities -
Registration procedures
for public
text owner identifers
):<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal
style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><
span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic";mso-hansi-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'>*****************************************************<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal
style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><
span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic";mso-hansi-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'>
[8] ISO registration authority prefix
=<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal
style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><
span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic";mso-hansi-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'><
span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> <
/span>full registration
authority prefix | ISBN prefix<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal
style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><
span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic";mso-hansi-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'><
span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> <
/span>| ISO
2375 prefix<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal
style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><
span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic";mso-hansi-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'>[9] full registration authority prefix =
"ISO",
("
/",<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal
style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><
span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic";mso-hansi-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'><
span style="mso-spacerun: yes">
<
/span>"aaa"
)?, SPACE, "nnnn",
("-",
"pp"
)?, "
/",<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal
style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><
span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic";mso-hansi-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'><
span style="mso-spacerun: yes">
<
/span>
("R"|"r"
),
("A"|"a"
)<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal
style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><
span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic";mso-hansi-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'>The equivalent ASN.1
object identifier is<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal
style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><
span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic";mso-hansi-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'><
span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> <
/span>ISO
(1)
Registration-Authority
(1) nnnn pp<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal
style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><
span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic";mso-hansi-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'>where<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal
style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><
span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic";mso-hansi-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'><
span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> <
/span>nnnn is replaced
by the number of an ISO<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal
style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><
span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic";mso-hansi-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'><
span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> <
/span><
span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> <
/span>registration standard.<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal
style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><
span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic";mso-hansi-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'><
span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> <
/span>pp<
span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> <
/span>is replaced by the part number
(if any
).<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal
style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><
span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic";mso-hansi-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'>*****************************************************<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal
style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><
span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic";mso-hansi-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'><!
[if !supportEmptyParas
]> <!
[endif
]><o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal
style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><
span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic";mso-hansi-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'>Note: The editor of ISO
/IEC
9070 is Dr. Charles Goldfarb<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal
style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><
span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic";mso-hansi-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'>
(Charles@XMLHandbook.com
).<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal
style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><
span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic";mso-hansi-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'><!
[if !supportEmptyParas
]> <!
[endif
]><o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal
style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><
span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic";mso-hansi-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'>The notation specified in ISO/IEC 9070 are today widely
applied to SGML
/XML related standards and applications.<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal
style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><
span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic";mso-hansi-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'><!
[if !supportEmptyParas
]> <!
[endif
]><o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal
style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><
span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic";mso-hansi-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'>If the note on subclause D.3.1 of ISO/IEC 8824-1 (the use of
arc registration-authority(1) under iso(1) has been withdrawn) should be
absolutely valid, we have to amend ISO/IEC 10036, ISO/IEC 9070 and their
related standards
/applications.<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal
style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><
span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic";mso-hansi-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'><!
[if !supportEmptyParas
]> <!
[endif
]><o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal
style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><
span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic";mso-hansi-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'>The SGML/XML are so much widely implemented that I expect
the note of ISO/IEC 8824 will be removed. If the removal is impossible, could
you suggest me an appropriate arc
for a registration authority?<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal
style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><
span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic";mso-hansi-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'><!
[if !supportEmptyParas
]> <!
[endif
]><o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal
style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><
span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic";mso-hansi-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'>Regards,<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal
style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><
span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic";mso-hansi-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'>------------------------------------------------------------------<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal
style='mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><
span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic";mso-hansi-font-family:
"Times New Roman"'>Yushi Komachi<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
div style='border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext .75pt;padding:0cm 0cm 1.0pt 0cm'>
<
p class=MsoNormal
style='border:none;mso-border-bottom-alt:solid windowtext .75pt;
padding:0cm;mso-padding-alt:0cm 0cm 1.0pt 0cm'><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><!
[if !supportEmptyParas
]> <!
[endif
]><o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><!
[if !supportEmptyParas
]> <!
[endif
]><o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal><
b><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
"Times New Roman"'>Temporary answer from the ASN.1 Rapporteur:<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/b><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Date:
Thu,
27 Feb
2003 11:
12:
30 +0000<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>From:
John Larmouth <j.larmouth@salford.ac.uk><o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>To:
SG17 Q12 <tsg17q12@ties.itu.ch>, asn1dev@oss.com<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>CC:
komachi@y-adagio.com<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><!
[if !supportEmptyParas
]> <!
[endif
]><o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>It
seems clear to me that there has at some stage in the past been a typo made
(maybe a long time in the past!
) somewhere.<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><!
[if !supportEmptyParas
]> <!
[endif
]><o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>The
OID used by this group would be a perfectly normal and legal allocation under arc
{1<
span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> <
/span>
0 10036 ......
},<
span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> <
/span>that is<
span style="mso-spacerun: yes">
<
/span>
{iso standard
10036 part
(ppp
) etc
}.<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><!
[if !supportEmptyParas
]> <!
[endif
]><o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>If
all other allocations under arc
1<
span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> <
/span>
1
(which should certainly NOT have been used) turn out to be of the same form as
this (that is, followed by a standards number, and perhaps stemming from the
same SGML base?????), then the easiest solution is going to be to declare arc
1<
span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> <
/span>
1 as a synonym
for arc
1<
span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> <
/span>
0, that is, allocated to an ISO Standard,<
span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> <
/span>but to deprecate
(forbid?
) any future use of
1<
span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> <
/span>
1 by new Standards.<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><!
[if !supportEmptyParas
]> <!
[endif
]><o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>To
suggest that SC34 change their OID at this stage would be silly.<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><!
[if !supportEmptyParas
]> <!
[endif
]><o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>We
need to rationalise the situation.<
span style="mso-spacerun: yes">
<
/span>However, it is important to look at any other allocations under arc
{1<
span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> <
/span>
1 ....
} before a decision is taken.<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
div style='border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext .75pt;padding:0cm 0cm 1.0pt 0cm'>
<
p class=MsoNormal
style='border:none;mso-border-bottom-alt:solid windowtext .75pt;
padding:0cm;mso-padding-alt:0cm 0cm 1.0pt 0cm'><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><!
[if !supportEmptyParas
]> <!
[endif
]><o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><!
[if !supportEmptyParas
]> <!
[endif
]><o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Date:
Thu,
27 Feb
2003 11:
42:
44 +0000<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>From:
John Larmouth <j.larmouth@salford.ac.uk><o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>To:
asn1dev@oss.com<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=FR
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";
mso-ansi-language:FR'>CC: SG17 Q12 <tsg17q12@ties.itu.ch>,
komachi@y-adagio.com<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=FR
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";
mso-ansi-language:FR'><!
[if !supportEmptyParas
]> <!
[endif
]><o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>DUBUISSON
Olivier wrote:<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>>
It is not the case
for subarc
2:<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>>
http:
//asn1.elibel.tm.fr
/cgi-bin
/oid
/display?oid
=1.1.2&
action=display<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><!
[if !supportEmptyParas
]> <!
[endif
]><o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>This
one is certainly out of line, and does not stem from the same source.<
span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> <
/span>I believe this should have been under the
FTAM Standard arc, and I am
(fairly
) sure it originally was.<
span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> <
/span>We need to discuss this one separately.<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><!
[if !supportEmptyParas
]> <!
[endif
]><o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>>>and
perhaps stemming from the same SGML<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>>>base?????
),
then the easiest solution is going to be to
declare arc
1<
span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> <
/span>
1<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>>>as
a synonym
for arc
1<
span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> <
/span>
0, that is,
allocated to an ISO Standard,<
span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> <
/span>but<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>>>to
deprecate
(forbid?
) any future use of
1<
span style="mso-spacerun: yes">
<
/span>
1 by new Standards.<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><!
[if !supportEmptyParas
]> <!
[endif
]><o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>The
other arcs you list clearly stem from the same SGML base, and can be covered by
the same solution.<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><!
[if !supportEmptyParas
]> <!
[endif
]><o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>>
How to be sure to avoid any potential clash?<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><!
[if !supportEmptyParas
]> <!
[endif
]><o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Arc
{1 1 2...
} is the only problem.<
span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> <
/span>The
other subarcs beneath {1 1} all have a standards number as the next arc, which
is unique.<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><!
[if !supportEmptyParas
]> <!
[endif
]><o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>>
See http:
//asn1.elibel.tm.fr
/cgi-bin
/oid
/display?oid
=1+
1&
action=display<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>>
for all subsequent arcs to the knowledge of the ITU-T ASN.1 Project.<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
<
p class=MsoNormal><
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all seem to stem from the SGML "typo".<o:p><
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span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>We
just need to investigate and to discuss what to do with the document type case
a bit more.<
span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> <
/span>I expect there *is* an ISO
Standard ISO
2, but I am pretty sure it does not use any OIDs!<
span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> <
/span>So we can probably say that one is a synonym
for {1 0 2...
} as well.<
span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> <
/span>I suspect there
have only ever been allocations under
{1 1 2 } within the ISPs
for FTAM. <o:p><
/o:p><
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span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>These
really need checking.<o:p><
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Re arc
1 1 2<o:p><
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Date:
Thu,
27 Feb
2003 11:
58:
18 +0000<o:p><
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span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>From:
John Larmouth <j.larmouth@salford.ac.uk><o:p><
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span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>To:
asn1dev@oss.com, SG17 Q12 <tsg17q12@ties.itu.ch><o:p><
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span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>This
is apparently allocated in 9834-2, which is one of the parts of 9834 that I do
not have a copy of (although I think I may have originally written it in
1984ish!), as it is not one of the parts we are due to be revising, nor is it
joint work with ITU-T.<o:p><
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span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>I
am slightly surprised it is using arc
{1 1 2},<
span style="mso-spacerun: yes">
<
/span>and would like to look at the
text.<
span style="mso-spacerun: yes">
<
/span>We may also need to find a raft of ISPs
(plus the FTAM Standard itself
)
to see what allocations there are beneath that arc, and whether these really
*are* using arc
1 1 2.<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
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p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>It
may be we will have to
declare {1<
span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> <
/span>
1 2}
as a synonym
for {1<
span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> <
/span>
0<
span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> <
/span>
9834<
span style="mso-spacerun: yes">
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span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>It
is messy, but it will probably work.<o:p><
/o:p><
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span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Actually,
rather than declaring synonyms, we can probably just make specific allocations
under {1 1} to the relevant standards, perhaps with a note saying that no
further allocations are intended under this arc. <o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
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p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>This
would be done as part of the revision of the
9834 and X.660 series.<o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
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p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>But
I would like to see the
text of
9834-
2 first.<o:p><
/o:p><
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span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>I
would have expected Virtual Terminal Profiles to have been done <o:p><
/o:p><
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p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>similarly
to FTAM Document Types.<
span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> <
/span>I am wondering
if there are problems <o:p><
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span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>lurking there as
well????<o:p><
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p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Subject:
Re: Re arc
1 1 2<o:p><
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span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Date:<
span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> <
/span>Thu,
27 Feb
2003 13:
27:
36 +0000<o:p><
/o:p><
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p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>From:
John Larmouth <j.larmouth@salford.ac.uk><o:p><
/o:p><
/span><
/p>
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p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>To:
asn1dev@oss.com<o:p><
/o:p><
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/p>
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p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>I
recognise most of this text as my own, but I think the clause using {1 1 2} was
added by Brian Wood when the
text moved from FTAM to
9834.<o:p><
/o:p><
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/p>
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p class=MsoNormal><
span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>There
is no mention of who is the International Registration Authority for this arc
(I don't think one was ever created - this Standard came late in the day, when
OSI was dying), but I think if we really want to follow this up, we need to
look at the FTAM and JTM Standards, and the ISPs for FTAM Document Types, of
which there were several, I think. (Ditto VT Terminal Profiles and Control
Objects).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>But
most of this stuff is defunct, and I am not sure it is worth putting time and
effort into it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'>If
9834 parts 2, 4, and 5 have used arcs 2, 4, and 5 (under {1 1}), then I guess
we just allocate those arcs to them, and leave it at that.<span
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>They are "mature" standards.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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